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terriertle17 at Jul 17, 2018 08:36 PM

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I also liked the Chameleon (further down Valencia, around 22nd) but it's one of those trendy places, like a cross between Emo's and Lovejoy's (I know, I like both of those places, go figure.) So deduct a few points, especially for the LOUD, horrendous canned music. Still, that's where I tried the cappuccino stout, plus tastes of more beers than I can remember. Also, on Sundays, everyone and their dog piles in to watch The Simpsons. During commercials they have trivia contests with stoopid prizes like, "Two, that's two orders of cheese toast!" Or Olivia Newton-John LPs. Upstairs they have pool tables and downstairs there's ping-pong. Whitewater pinball and the Gal's Panic video game, the latter two usually on th' blink. But the best part of this dive is that there's a small stage where (bad) local bands

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